| Sublunary Updates ( @ 2006-02-09 20:20:00 |
Ok, a few things are being repeatedly asked and answered, so to save my sanity, here they are:
1. Are Fanfiction and fanart ok?
YES. They are. I adore Fanfiction and fanart. That people would spend so much time on this amazes me, and I love it. They're fine, perfectly Ok. Just credit the characters/plot/whatever wherever you post it, and pelase post it in the forums so I and other fans can see it and praise it.
BUT I do not condone RP of my characters.
Yes, this is entirely different than fanfiction. I do not condone RP of my characters simply because they are MINE to RP. You don't know them well enough to be able to RP them anyway, and that's not intending to be rude. What you've seen of them is only a small portion of who they are. Fanfiction is different, but RP requires knowing a character well enough to gauge their responses and knowledge of their background. You don't know them that well, and even after the story is done you won't, simply because they are mine. I advocate making your own original characters (please don't copy mine or Sarahs, though I can't say her opinion on the above) and your own original world and RPing therein. Why? Because having your OWN creations and knowing them completely is so much better than playing with others.
So in conclusion: Fanfics/fanart/songs/animations/pixel dolls/etc GOOD. Please post them in the forums so I can actually see them and feel all happy, and please credit.
RP/Copying/Theft BAD. Please just save yourself the trouble and don't. I can't stop you from RPing, but I'd really rather you didn't please.
2. Would you consider another artist?
No. It wouldn't happen. The original artist owns half of the characters. For one, I don't believe it's fair for her to bow out and leave her work to someone else. For another, I will not trust some random person, no matter how good a fan they are, unless I know them very very very well...meaning they're not a random person. I'd have to entrust them with the story, with the entire lit of secrets and twists, and with the ability to draw reliably and on time. As I couldn't trust the original artist to do this, despite the fact we were sleeping with each other and occasionally that meant I had a bargaining chip (though it hardly ever worked) I'm not going to entrust ALL of this onto a random person. If by chance someone IS capable of doing four comics a week on a consistant basis, no 'I don't feel like it' blurbs or anything, and I like their style, and they're trustworthy, it would still be a heavy maybe. I don't own half the boys. This was our (me and Sarah's) project and she dropped it. No one new should have to pick up the slack of her characters. And besides, I'm an absolutely unforgiving bitch to work with so the rumours have it. You wouldn't last a month. I DO, however, appreciate the offers. However, if you're a bloody amazing artist with insanely mad skills too good for anyone to ever pass up AND you have what many with that much of a creative streak lack (ie. dependability, all creatives lack it to some degree) it's probably not going to happen.
BUT If Subby continues in written form and you want to illustrate a scene, go right ahead. If not my undying love, you might get it posted when the chapter goes up. ^_^
3. Will Subby continue?
As a comic? Not unless for some reason the artist and I start dating again. Ask her for that one.
Written?
Well, there's the rub. *sigh*
I asked the artist if she'd enter a compromise with me over her characters. For my reasons, I didn't want her posting art of her half of the Subby characters while I was writing the story. I asked if she'd hold off posting her characters from the story until it was completed. Seeing as how she hasn't done any original character art in nearly a year outside of this comic, I didn't think it would be a problem. My reasoning was that if I was putting off my own book and using my spare time to write, edit, and outline Sublunary as a novel then I wanted to, maybe selfishly, actually have the credit for it without the fact that 'over in Sarah's gallery she has a GORGEOUS picture of *insert char here* Everyone go look!!!' rubbing it in. I've taken the brunt of the insults and the threats and the flames and the 'punishment' for this comic, and if I'm the sole person continuing it I'd like the oppourtunity for it to be my project. Just my project alone for however long it'd take me to finish it were I writing every day. I know she has gorgeous art, and yeah, it'd be better as a comic than a novel. I know a novel would lose a lot of readers really quickly. She wasn't drawing them anyway, and she has 40 other characters of her own she can draw, I never said I didn't want her to draw them, I just didn't want her to post them until the last chapter of Sublunary had gone up. If I'm the only one putting work into this I would, maybe irationally, like to be the only one getting credit for it. I'm probably being a bitch in this regard, I know.
Anyone who's ever RP'd will know what it's like to have characters break up. As it stands, if Subby is to continue I will have to write roughly ten couples that I know, in my head, are not together anymore and pretty much never will be again. I understand most people will think it's no big deal, but I know some readers are RPers and might understand just how difficult that might be. And no, I cannot rewrite it to not include them without changing everything and having to rewrite the first comicked chapters. I'd like to get the chapters out and done and finish the story in as little time as possible so I don't have to touch her boys anymore, because it's hard.
Despite that she's not drawing them anyway, and hasn't drawn them in ages, she didn't agree to the idea I had of not posting them publicly until the writing was done. She didn't offer any suggestions either. So...I'm going to have to work around that.
Now I don't want to hear how much of a bitch I am for thinking the above, or asking such and such, etcetera. I'm probably whining too, come to think of it. Once you've spent over two years of your life on something like this with another person, and three years with that person, and then had to do that partnership entirely on your own...well, you might know how I feel. I probably am being a bitch, but I'm at least trying to see some solutions to the problems. If anything else, remember I'm making absolutely zilch off of this...but if stress were pennies I'd be richer than the queen. ^_^;;
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So, since I'm positively sick and tired of trying to work out some ideas on how to not only make myself go through the pain of doing this because yes, I want to finish it and yes you DO deserve the full story, and yes it'll hurt like hell but not everything in life can be easy, right? Anyway, since all of the above, and that I'm not getting suggestions from the other side, I'm asking if any of you have suggestions maybe as a solution to some of my problems. One solution is below. I'd love to hear others.
-One idea I have had suggested to me by someone who knows a bit more about what's going on is that I could possibly start charging for the chapters. Their reasoning is that Sarah's making money off of the art and the publicity that Subby has given her (and good to her for it.) so I should be able to do the same. Sublunary has a paypal account and, instead of donating for a wallpaper, you'd be donating for a Chapter. I can only do max two chapters a month without killing myself, so there'd be a monthly cap. Something like $20-$30 total donations for a chapter was suggested.
--Now, I'm a bit uncomfortable with the idea of people paying for chapters because I just KNOW people are going to get all up in arms over it. But Subby does have a TON of readers, and if 60 readers donated fifty cents a month it wouldn't be a big deal. or 60 readers could donate one cent, etc. I want to ask you guys what YOU think about this. Do you think that it's a fair suggestion? Do you think that price is fair? Do you have a better price, a better idea?
Every opinion counts, so please don't hesitate to post. I'd rather you be polite, but that might be a bit much to ask for...so at least be civil?
Thanks to those of you sticking around. I'm trying to figure this out as best I can, sorry it's taking so long.
1. Are Fanfiction and fanart ok?
YES. They are. I adore Fanfiction and fanart. That people would spend so much time on this amazes me, and I love it. They're fine, perfectly Ok. Just credit the characters/plot/whatever wherever you post it, and pelase post it in the forums so I and other fans can see it and praise it.
BUT I do not condone RP of my characters.
Yes, this is entirely different than fanfiction. I do not condone RP of my characters simply because they are MINE to RP. You don't know them well enough to be able to RP them anyway, and that's not intending to be rude. What you've seen of them is only a small portion of who they are. Fanfiction is different, but RP requires knowing a character well enough to gauge their responses and knowledge of their background. You don't know them that well, and even after the story is done you won't, simply because they are mine. I advocate making your own original characters (please don't copy mine or Sarahs, though I can't say her opinion on the above) and your own original world and RPing therein. Why? Because having your OWN creations and knowing them completely is so much better than playing with others.
So in conclusion: Fanfics/fanart/songs/animations/pixel dolls/etc GOOD. Please post them in the forums so I can actually see them and feel all happy, and please credit.
RP/Copying/Theft BAD. Please just save yourself the trouble and don't. I can't stop you from RPing, but I'd really rather you didn't please.
2. Would you consider another artist?
No. It wouldn't happen. The original artist owns half of the characters. For one, I don't believe it's fair for her to bow out and leave her work to someone else. For another, I will not trust some random person, no matter how good a fan they are, unless I know them very very very well...meaning they're not a random person. I'd have to entrust them with the story, with the entire lit of secrets and twists, and with the ability to draw reliably and on time. As I couldn't trust the original artist to do this, despite the fact we were sleeping with each other and occasionally that meant I had a bargaining chip (though it hardly ever worked) I'm not going to entrust ALL of this onto a random person. If by chance someone IS capable of doing four comics a week on a consistant basis, no 'I don't feel like it' blurbs or anything, and I like their style, and they're trustworthy, it would still be a heavy maybe. I don't own half the boys. This was our (me and Sarah's) project and she dropped it. No one new should have to pick up the slack of her characters. And besides, I'm an absolutely unforgiving bitch to work with so the rumours have it. You wouldn't last a month. I DO, however, appreciate the offers. However, if you're a bloody amazing artist with insanely mad skills too good for anyone to ever pass up AND you have what many with that much of a creative streak lack (ie. dependability, all creatives lack it to some degree) it's probably not going to happen.
BUT If Subby continues in written form and you want to illustrate a scene, go right ahead. If not my undying love, you might get it posted when the chapter goes up. ^_^
3. Will Subby continue?
As a comic? Not unless for some reason the artist and I start dating again. Ask her for that one.
Written?
Well, there's the rub. *sigh*
I asked the artist if she'd enter a compromise with me over her characters. For my reasons, I didn't want her posting art of her half of the Subby characters while I was writing the story. I asked if she'd hold off posting her characters from the story until it was completed. Seeing as how she hasn't done any original character art in nearly a year outside of this comic, I didn't think it would be a problem. My reasoning was that if I was putting off my own book and using my spare time to write, edit, and outline Sublunary as a novel then I wanted to, maybe selfishly, actually have the credit for it without the fact that 'over in Sarah's gallery she has a GORGEOUS picture of *insert char here* Everyone go look!!!' rubbing it in. I've taken the brunt of the insults and the threats and the flames and the 'punishment' for this comic, and if I'm the sole person continuing it I'd like the oppourtunity for it to be my project. Just my project alone for however long it'd take me to finish it were I writing every day. I know she has gorgeous art, and yeah, it'd be better as a comic than a novel. I know a novel would lose a lot of readers really quickly. She wasn't drawing them anyway, and she has 40 other characters of her own she can draw, I never said I didn't want her to draw them, I just didn't want her to post them until the last chapter of Sublunary had gone up. If I'm the only one putting work into this I would, maybe irationally, like to be the only one getting credit for it. I'm probably being a bitch in this regard, I know.
Anyone who's ever RP'd will know what it's like to have characters break up. As it stands, if Subby is to continue I will have to write roughly ten couples that I know, in my head, are not together anymore and pretty much never will be again. I understand most people will think it's no big deal, but I know some readers are RPers and might understand just how difficult that might be. And no, I cannot rewrite it to not include them without changing everything and having to rewrite the first comicked chapters. I'd like to get the chapters out and done and finish the story in as little time as possible so I don't have to touch her boys anymore, because it's hard.
Despite that she's not drawing them anyway, and hasn't drawn them in ages, she didn't agree to the idea I had of not posting them publicly until the writing was done. She didn't offer any suggestions either. So...I'm going to have to work around that.
Now I don't want to hear how much of a bitch I am for thinking the above, or asking such and such, etcetera. I'm probably whining too, come to think of it. Once you've spent over two years of your life on something like this with another person, and three years with that person, and then had to do that partnership entirely on your own...well, you might know how I feel. I probably am being a bitch, but I'm at least trying to see some solutions to the problems. If anything else, remember I'm making absolutely zilch off of this...but if stress were pennies I'd be richer than the queen. ^_^;;
So, since I'm positively sick and tired of trying to work out some ideas on how to not only make myself go through the pain of doing this because yes, I want to finish it and yes you DO deserve the full story, and yes it'll hurt like hell but not everything in life can be easy, right? Anyway, since all of the above, and that I'm not getting suggestions from the other side, I'm asking if any of you have suggestions maybe as a solution to some of my problems. One solution is below. I'd love to hear others.
-One idea I have had suggested to me by someone who knows a bit more about what's going on is that I could possibly start charging for the chapters. Their reasoning is that Sarah's making money off of the art and the publicity that Subby has given her (and good to her for it.) so I should be able to do the same. Sublunary has a paypal account and, instead of donating for a wallpaper, you'd be donating for a Chapter. I can only do max two chapters a month without killing myself, so there'd be a monthly cap. Something like $20-$30 total donations for a chapter was suggested.
--Now, I'm a bit uncomfortable with the idea of people paying for chapters because I just KNOW people are going to get all up in arms over it. But Subby does have a TON of readers, and if 60 readers donated fifty cents a month it wouldn't be a big deal. or 60 readers could donate one cent, etc. I want to ask you guys what YOU think about this. Do you think that it's a fair suggestion? Do you think that price is fair? Do you have a better price, a better idea?
Every opinion counts, so please don't hesitate to post. I'd rather you be polite, but that might be a bit much to ask for...so at least be civil?
Thanks to those of you sticking around. I'm trying to figure this out as best I can, sorry it's taking so long.