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@ 2006-02-09 20:20:00
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Ok, a few things are being repeatedly asked and answered, so to save my sanity, here they are:

1. Are Fanfiction and fanart ok?
YES. They are. I adore Fanfiction and fanart. That people would spend so much time on this amazes me, and I love it. They're fine, perfectly Ok. Just credit the characters/plot/whatever wherever you post it, and pelase post it in the forums so I and other fans can see it and praise it.
BUT I do not condone RP of my characters.
Yes, this is entirely different than fanfiction. I do not condone RP of my characters simply because they are MINE to RP. You don't know them well enough to be able to RP them anyway, and that's not intending to be rude. What you've seen of them is only a small portion of who they are. Fanfiction is different, but RP requires knowing a character well enough to gauge their responses and knowledge of their background. You don't know them that well, and even after the story is done you won't, simply because they are mine. I advocate making your own original characters (please don't copy mine or Sarahs, though I can't say her opinion on the above) and your own original world and RPing therein. Why? Because having your OWN creations and knowing them completely is so much better than playing with others.
So in conclusion: Fanfics/fanart/songs/animations/pixel dolls/etc GOOD. Please post them in the forums so I can actually see them and feel all happy, and please credit.
RP/Copying/Theft BAD. Please just save yourself the trouble and don't. I can't stop you from RPing, but I'd really rather you didn't please.

2. Would you consider another artist?
No. It wouldn't happen. The original artist owns half of the characters. For one, I don't believe it's fair for her to bow out and leave her work to someone else. For another, I will not trust some random person, no matter how good a fan they are, unless I know them very very very well...meaning they're not a random person. I'd have to entrust them with the story, with the entire lit of secrets and twists, and with the ability to draw reliably and on time. As I couldn't trust the original artist to do this, despite the fact we were sleeping with each other and occasionally that meant I had a bargaining chip (though it hardly ever worked) I'm not going to entrust ALL of this onto a random person. If by chance someone IS capable of doing four comics a week on a consistant basis, no 'I don't feel like it' blurbs or anything, and I like their style, and they're trustworthy, it would still be a heavy maybe. I don't own half the boys. This was our (me and Sarah's) project and she dropped it. No one new should have to pick up the slack of her characters. And besides, I'm an absolutely unforgiving bitch to work with so the rumours have it. You wouldn't last a month. I DO, however, appreciate the offers. However, if you're a bloody amazing artist with insanely mad skills too good for anyone to ever pass up AND you have what many with that much of a creative streak lack (ie. dependability, all creatives lack it to some degree) it's probably not going to happen.
BUT If Subby continues in written form and you want to illustrate a scene, go right ahead. If not my undying love, you might get it posted when the chapter goes up. ^_^

3. Will Subby continue?
As a comic? Not unless for some reason the artist and I start dating again. Ask her for that one.
Written?
Well, there's the rub. *sigh*
I asked the artist if she'd enter a compromise with me over her characters. For my reasons, I didn't want her posting art of her half of the Subby characters while I was writing the story. I asked if she'd hold off posting her characters from the story until it was completed. Seeing as how she hasn't done any original character art in nearly a year outside of this comic, I didn't think it would be a problem. My reasoning was that if I was putting off my own book and using my spare time to write, edit, and outline Sublunary as a novel then I wanted to, maybe selfishly, actually have the credit for it without the fact that 'over in Sarah's gallery she has a GORGEOUS picture of *insert char here* Everyone go look!!!' rubbing it in. I've taken the brunt of the insults and the threats and the flames and the 'punishment' for this comic, and if I'm the sole person continuing it I'd like the oppourtunity for it to be my project. Just my project alone for however long it'd take me to finish it were I writing every day. I know she has gorgeous art, and yeah, it'd be better as a comic than a novel. I know a novel would lose a lot of readers really quickly. She wasn't drawing them anyway, and she has 40 other characters of her own she can draw, I never said I didn't want her to draw them, I just didn't want her to post them until the last chapter of Sublunary had gone up. If I'm the only one putting work into this I would, maybe irationally, like to be the only one getting credit for it. I'm probably being a bitch in this regard, I know.
Anyone who's ever RP'd will know what it's like to have characters break up. As it stands, if Subby is to continue I will have to write roughly ten couples that I know, in my head, are not together anymore and pretty much never will be again. I understand most people will think it's no big deal, but I know some readers are RPers and might understand just how difficult that might be. And no, I cannot rewrite it to not include them without changing everything and having to rewrite the first comicked chapters. I'd like to get the chapters out and done and finish the story in as little time as possible so I don't have to touch her boys anymore, because it's hard.
Despite that she's not drawing them anyway, and hasn't drawn them in ages, she didn't agree to the idea I had of not posting them publicly until the writing was done. She didn't offer any suggestions either. So...I'm going to have to work around that.

Now I don't want to hear how much of a bitch I am for thinking the above, or asking such and such, etcetera. I'm probably whining too, come to think of it. Once you've spent over two years of your life on something like this with another person, and three years with that person, and then had to do that partnership entirely on your own...well, you might know how I feel. I probably am being a bitch, but I'm at least trying to see some solutions to the problems. If anything else, remember I'm making absolutely zilch off of this...but if stress were pennies I'd be richer than the queen. ^_^;;

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So, since I'm positively sick and tired of trying to work out some ideas on how to not only make myself go through the pain of doing this because yes, I want to finish it and yes you DO deserve the full story, and yes it'll hurt like hell but not everything in life can be easy, right? Anyway, since all of the above, and that I'm not getting suggestions from the other side, I'm asking if any of you have suggestions maybe as a solution to some of my problems. One solution is below. I'd love to hear others.

-One idea I have had suggested to me by someone who knows a bit more about what's going on is that I could possibly start charging for the chapters. Their reasoning is that Sarah's making money off of the art and the publicity that Subby has given her (and good to her for it.) so I should be able to do the same. Sublunary has a paypal account and, instead of donating for a wallpaper, you'd be donating for a Chapter. I can only do max two chapters a month without killing myself, so there'd be a monthly cap. Something like $20-$30 total donations for a chapter was suggested.

--Now, I'm a bit uncomfortable with the idea of people paying for chapters because I just KNOW people are going to get all up in arms over it. But Subby does have a TON of readers, and if 60 readers donated fifty cents a month it wouldn't be a big deal. or 60 readers could donate one cent, etc. I want to ask you guys what YOU think about this. Do you think that it's a fair suggestion? Do you think that price is fair? Do you have a better price, a better idea?

Every opinion counts, so please don't hesitate to post. I'd rather you be polite, but that might be a bit much to ask for...so at least be civil?
Thanks to those of you sticking around. I'm trying to figure this out as best I can, sorry it's taking so long.



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[info]ryosato
2006-02-10 02:37 am UTC (link)
Well, as understandable as the situation and stress are, I don't think charging for it is necessarily the best way to go. In the end, it's just going to cause resentment among the fans... after all, who's going to pay for it? The hardcore fans will pay, and everyone else will benefit... that seems like a dangerous situation to me.

Also, it might just be that I've never been involved in the community, I just read the comic, but... you seem to have a lot of resentment towards the artist, and that's coming through a lot in this post. I'm sure those feelings are understandable, but in case you're not aware of it because you're stressed/upset/etc, you're kind of airing a lot of personal feelings here, that may cause anger in the other party, or the other party's fans... just something to give a heads up over, I guess.

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[info]neverless
2006-02-10 03:06 am UTC (link)
Sure there's resentment. I got dumped and the comic got dropped. I won't lie and say I'm not hurting over it, but I didn't intend to mention her in a bad light in any way. The personal feelings bit are my own, and pretty much in relation to what's going on with the comic...trying to explain why I can't just whip out the rest of the story or why I'm all of a sudden thinking of charging people for it.

Her art is exceptional, and despite her choices for the comic she'll probably end up successful in whatever she does. I'm upset over what's happened of course, but I don't intend to bash her and I didn't think I was doing that.

As for paying for it...well, despite your idea of 'who's going to pay for it' which is kind of a blow, I'd like to think that there'd be some fans who were willing to. I haven't decided on anything yet. But if the hardcore fans are willing to pay, how will it cause resentment? They're willing to pay for something they want, and because they're willing some other people get to benefit. I'd rather not do something like limit chapters only to those who purchase them (cause I don't agree with that at all) but this way it means people will get to read for as long as 'they' want to.

I am open to suggestions, like I wrote above, so if you have some I'd like to hear them. And I don't mean that to sound sarcastic in the least (in case you take it that way) because I honestly do want some suggestions on what I should do.

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[info]dragonendalia
2006-02-10 02:51 am UTC (link)
I'd be happy to donate money towards this project, but if we were to start doing that then I don't think it would be fair to go halfway and then decide you didn't want to continue writing anymore. I really don't think you WOULD, but the possibility is there, and I'd be really sad if chapter production ended like the comic did...

(Sorry if this gets posted twice, forgot to sign in... x-x)

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[info]neverless
2006-02-10 02:56 am UTC (link)
Since it'd be me writing it, and I've been the driving force behind the comic (not to mention I'm also a bit fanatic about having things completed), as long as people were paying there would be chapters. If for some reason I couldn't do chapters anymore (like I died >.> or had to pause for exams) I'd let people know so they wouldn't keep paying.

If for some reason I decided to end writing it before the story was over I'd not take any more donations though, if that's what you're worried about.

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[info]katamanda
2006-02-10 02:55 am UTC (link)
I think you should go with whatever you think is best, and whatever you think will be able to make you work better. Maybe this seems unfair to some of the fans but you'll be putting your time and energy into this. ANd really you shold be putting your welfare first. personally I'd be happy just to read a summary of what would have happened, maybe we'd miss out on details but at least we'd know what happened and you'd be saving yourself a lot of stress.
Though I think the paying for chapters is a good idea, certainly if you're going to take the time and effort to do this you should be getting something useful in return. praise and adoation is always great, but it doesn't help pay the bills.
Good luck for the future, and whatever you decide to do about subby <3

(p.s, sorry for any typos that ma have occured, its near 3am here XD;)

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[info]neverless
2006-02-10 03:08 am UTC (link)
I would be willing to do a summery if for some reason I couldn't write it, but when you guys get a summery it'll literally be the last of the comic. I won't summerize until I know there's absolutely no hope of it continuing in any shape or form. Mostly just because I'm very secretive over my plots. ^_^

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[info]katamanda
2006-02-10 03:11 pm UTC (link)
Awww ^^ well good luck with it all. I shall be waiting eagerly to read whatever you put up. Hehe, know how that is, no one likes to ruin a surprise XD *hugs*

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[info]cloud_1_3_5
2006-02-10 08:30 am UTC (link)
Maybe this seems unfair to some of the fans but you'll be putting your time and energy into this. ANd really you shold be putting your welfare first.

I agree with this entirely. No matter what you're going to do, you're not going to please everyone, so ultimately it's down to what's best for you - don't go putting the comic before yourself, for goodness' sake!

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[info]darkraiser
2006-02-10 03:51 am UTC (link)
I understand what your saying ^^ and i don't know waht your talking about(the whole bitch thing) i would want all of the credit if i was writting...but i can see it the otehr way too. So well... I hope you have fun doing the novel or not doing the novel. But if you are i hope to see a link to it ^0^

-Good Luck
Darkraiser

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[info]neverless
2006-02-10 08:45 am UTC (link)
Thank you for your understanding ^_^

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[info]arquillia
2006-02-10 05:42 am UTC (link)
Writers and artists cannot live off of "SQUEE! UPDATE!!" and "Zomg! Talis is teh HAWT!" alone, although. . . it probably helps, a lot.
By writing Sublunary you are providing a service to a "community" and why shouldn't you be paid? Why don't you deserve to have some small measure of income because, obviously, this community of people are a bit. . shall we say. . turncoat?


You updated, great!
You didn't? Death threat!


Eh. . no, that. . doesn't fly. That's rude beyond measure. Fair-weather fans are the burden of any free comic, where the creator's reliability depends only upon how willing they are to face the thought of losing fans do to their lack of reliability and how pressured they are by it to continue. No one should be forced to update four times a week, on a constant basis, as this comic has done in the past without some form of compensation.
Honestly, I wouldn't go to work five days a week just for happy-face emoticons and drooling fangirls and boys. Why should you?
I fully support the decision to make Sublunary and any other project you might take upon yourself, provided it is of the same scale, pay-per-chapter. Perhaps those who are willing to sponsor the story could recieve something special in return. . .
Their name listed on a sponsor's page? I'd dig it.
Entry into a monthly or bi-monthly drawing to have one of their own characters cameo a spot? Totally cool.
There are a lot of tiny ways you could show your appriciation for those fans willing to show theirs, and a couple bucks is nothin', it's the change between the seats and rattling in the dryer.


- Arquillia


P.S. -> My pledge would be $15 a month, Reena you are SO worth my EverQuest money XD

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[info]neverless
2006-02-10 08:33 am UTC (link)
OMG Everquest XD

Honestly, thank you for your words. Your very well thought-out, polite, practical, and rational words. I just wish some of those intent on threatening me into working would see it the way that fans like you do. Thank you for your appreciation, and possible Everquest money ^_^

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[info]cloud_1_3_5
2006-02-10 08:34 am UTC (link)
Throwing full-blooded support behind the sponsorship idea! I'm happy to be a regular donor too, so that's two of us!

Maybe the sponsorship deal can be advertising a chosen web page or something at the beginning\end of the chapter or something like that? I'm a little review-whore (and I only write during lunchbreaks at work, so I practically get paid for it anyway) so that'd keep me more than happy!

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[info]neverless
2006-02-10 08:44 am UTC (link)
Good idea o.o regular sponsers should have some sort of kickback. I'd have to approve the sites I'm advertising, just because I'm picky like that (I won't endorse something I don't agree with/goes against my morals) but I'm sure it would NOT be a problem.

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[info]cloud_1_3_5
2006-02-10 09:44 am UTC (link)
I personally am just thinking about my ff.net page - like I said, I'm a review whore, so any additional interest would be well worth it!

(For the record, I've so far written a ton of Yu-Gi-Oh! shounen-ai\yaoi and a couple of het Naruto fics - nothing offensive there, I assume? I promise you I'm literate too!)

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[info]arquillia
2006-02-10 08:30 pm UTC (link)
Hmmm. . . not something you agree with?


Omega: She agrees with me.


*falls over with a sigh* Well, it's. . settled, a link to my particular work of. . fiction. . *eyes Omega carefully, but he seems indifferent to his reality* would be more than adequate, in fact, an honor.
Not to say that it is more or equal to the interest Subby fans would have in Yu-G0-Oh! shounen-ai, there isn't a good boy/boy pairing in Oroboros, howev-


Omega: *covers his ears* And-there-won't-be-won't-be-won't-beeee!


. . . don't mind him.
How much sense I make this early in the morning! Ah~~
Anyway, much agreement with Cloud 135 and much love for Subby and Reena.


~ Arquillia

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[info]scottiron
2006-02-10 06:12 am UTC (link)
I'd certainly be willing to donate whatever I can to make it actually worth your while to continue doing the series. I personally prefer the written art to that of drawing, hence why I write my own stories. I think that those of us who truly appreciate Sublunary and your hard work would continue to support you however we could.

BTW, kudos on the Elle in a teacup avatar. XD

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[info]neverless
2006-02-10 08:35 am UTC (link)
Thank you. I hear you about the writing to comicing, but there are times when I prefer one over the other. It's sometimes easier to draw a chair than spend fifty words perfectly describing it with all its little knobs and buttons XD I still don't think I've grasped writing for comics that well, so Subby in novel form would let me put in all the exposition that would bore readers if it were in comic form.

Also, Elle to Takara = <3

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[info]neverless
2006-02-10 08:35 am UTC (link)
love.

Meat to say = love.

Ignore my horribly spazzy spazzness please.

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[info]wda_yagi_san
2006-02-10 07:39 am UTC (link)
I think you should deffinately go with the pay-per chapter idea. I admit, I myself am not able to pay, so some people who can pay might not appreciate my comment as much. ^^; However, as a fan, I think that any continuation of Subby in any form would be nice. I agree with tenshiamanda on the summary idea, even if it is a last resort. Though, if you're not getting any profit off of it, I could see how you wouldn't want to continue Subby. Whatever you choose to do, I hope it works out for you. There's nothing worse than deciding to do something, then not having any fun doing it. Best of luck! ^.^

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[info]neverless
2006-02-10 08:42 am UTC (link)
Aw, I'd forgive everyone for not being able to pay, no problem. Not everyone can have a paypal account or a steady job. Hell, the last one for me is difficult for half the year. I would, however, hold you to fan contributions such as art or fics or somesuch XD Deal?

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[info]wda_yagi_san
2006-02-12 01:31 am UTC (link)
XD I could certanly "pay" in that form! ^.^

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[info]cloud_1_3_5
2006-02-10 08:27 am UTC (link)
Surprisingly enough, I was considering suggesting the payment thing a few days back. I for one would be more than happy to go with it, and I'd be happy for the cap to be, say, $50 per month. With two or three generous readers, that target could easily be met.

I'd be happy to stump up $10 a month - and yes, I'm going on record and saying it now, and you can quote me on it. Since I'm in England, that's actually only about £6 a month, so that's no problem at all! If two others are willing to match that donation (or four at $5 etc) then we're right on the ball.

Other suggestions... well, I'd have to sit back and mull it over a bit, but I'm bound to be very subdued and hungover Sunday, so that'll be a fine time to pitch a tent by my computer, ignore the rest of the world and give it a good long think!

So... yosh. Offering a bit of financial clout now, and hopefully offering ideas later.

Best of luck to you both anyway, however it comes out!

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[info]neverless
2006-02-10 08:41 am UTC (link)
Thank you, the support does mean a lot.

$50 per month, wow o.o I don't think I'm quite that good yet ^_^;; Perhaps I'll get everyone hook and then up the price for the last five chapters! XD No, I'm kidding. Despite being a brilliant market strategy I'D beat me for it, so I can only imagine that you guys would murder me.

Just to go on record: Whatever the price would be it would most likely stay fixed, unless there were like, dire circumstances. Something like impending emergency, or my original novel actually getting picked up (thereby meaning #2 would have to be written ASAP...but that's me being stupid-hopeful) But whatever the decided price will be, barring extreme circumstances, it was STAY that price. I won't go hiking it once people are addicted. I know another artist who did that with their actual comic. Blech.

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[info]cloud_1_3_5
2006-02-10 09:07 am UTC (link)
Yes - agreed that sudden price hikes are all too bastardly for my liking too... But being serious, I'd say you were worth $50 for two monthly chapters (or $20/30 for one) without hesitation at all. Given the work being put in, the time it takes and the readership it'll actually receive, it probably totals up to a very small figure per hour worked per person - and like I said, with a few big donors (such as the person above who offered $15 a month and suggested sponsorship) and a couple of handfuls of people putting in $1 a month, it'd be a target that was met pretty easily.

You could maybe start at $50 for two, and depending on the uptake, even lower it afterwards as a kind of 'loyalty reward' or something - that's the sort of business deal most people wouldn't sniff at ^_~

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[info]dc13
2006-02-10 08:50 am UTC (link)
Although I doubt I'd be able to pay for every update, I'd certainly dole out what I could.

Would there only be a limited time to get the chapters? Or if say, you didn't have the money for one chapter and the next one got put up, you could still go back and buy the last one? Or would your chance have gone?

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[info]neverless
2006-02-10 08:44 pm UTC (link)
Oh no no no, it'd be run through paypal. Whenever the donation total reached the chapter price (lets say $20) I would post a chapter. That means two people could donate $10 each and everyone would get the next chapter. When I got another $20 up goes the next chapter, etc. I'd need time to write and edit them of course, and I could only do around two a month (they'd be a decent size) but I'd keep a running total and let everyone know how close they were to chapters ^_^

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[info]itsu_shinki
2006-02-10 04:08 pm UTC (link)
With as much as I normally spend on Manga a month, I'd so pay for this comic without a second thought.

I'm so sorry people are giving you such a hard time, cause you seem like your a great person, and just shitty things have happened and all. Please don't let the bad/negative things that people have been saying to you worry you. Cause in the end there just assholes.

You do what you can when you can.

Cause your fans who are really your fans will understand and we all love you for all your hard work and dedication to this major project.

Subby is sereislly one of the BEST webcomics EVER!!!!

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[info]neverless
2006-02-10 08:46 pm UTC (link)
Aw thanks, and I am just starting to ignore the people giving me threats/hate mail for all this. It's hard but I'm dealing with it. I never thought it'd be this popular. ^^;;

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[info]kuni_izumi
2006-02-10 05:15 pm UTC (link)
I don't think I'd be able to pay for updates with college tuition and books costs kicking my ass for the next three or four years.

However, this doesn't mean I'm gonna be all RAWR YOU SUCK, because the fact that you COULD put out a chapter or two a month would like...be kicking my ass at actually getting writing done or accomplished. The important thing I think, would be to have a way to buy back chapters if you can't afford them when they come out, or yeah, working out a way people can split the cost of a chapter.

XD oh gosh, the Sublunary co-op just sounds funny.

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[info]neverless
2006-02-10 08:48 pm UTC (link)
It'd just be run through paypal. You could donate as little as $1 and if some other people donate enough to make the total cost, a chapter gets posted publicly. I wouldn't make individual people have to purchase chapters, since that's time consuming and they could just be freely redistributed, and it's a mess for organization. So it'd be simply when the paypal account reaches the chapter cost from a myriad of donations, I put up a chapter. The next time it reaches that high I put up another one ^_^

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[info]kuni_izumi
2006-02-10 08:56 pm UTC (link)
Ooooh that would be spiffy. Then I could throw in whatever I could afford for that chapter. I can bum a dollar off someone. XD

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[info]fairyparatsuki
2006-02-10 05:28 pm UTC (link)
As much as I hate the idea of paying for chapters *pouts due to small paycheck* it's fair. Since you plan to do two chapters a month (without having it to lead to self assasination), 20$ is fair. It's only 10$ a chapter, and while I have no idea how the heck paypal works *has yet to purchase anything on the internet or donate* I'd still TRY to give it a go...leading me to cut back on Manga consumption...which will be a good thing. *smiles*

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[info]neverless
2006-02-10 08:49 pm UTC (link)
You'd only have to make a small donation fo a chapter, if anything at all. The idea is that with so many readers enough people will donate small amounts and it will add up to the cost, and then the chapter would be posted publicly ^_^

Paypal is really simple to use. I was hesitant at first too, but now I buy things online all the time ^^;;

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[info]fairyparatsuki
2006-02-11 05:52 pm UTC (link)
ah. That makes sense.

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[info]rae_squirrel
2006-02-12 02:58 am UTC (link)
If you manage two chapters a month, you are sooo my idol. As someone who is continuously having Issues with getting her own book written *eyes the last updat & blushes* I'd be impressed. I would not be able to contribute much, I'm afraid, but I completely understand needing money. That's half the reason that my writing languishes. I'd be all for you taking donations with whatever limit you choose to set. Yes, we all reap the benifit even if we don't all pay, but by the same token, it means those of us with little money to spare still get our Subby fix. But hell, I'm biased. If this makes no sense, blame the large amount of chocolate & coffee.

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[info]raven_cailleach
2006-02-13 08:33 am UTC (link)
HURRAH FOR REENA!!

...Okay, yes, I think, in my opinion, $20-$30 is sufficient enough for a monthly cap. I should be getting a job soon so maybe I can kick $10 for ya Reena ^.^!

Let's just hope the job goes through... o.o;;

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[info]nittlegrasper83
2006-02-13 12:42 pm UTC (link)
So if you charge for your chapters all the money would go into your paypal account... But what would you do with that money? I know personaly I wouldn't want my money going into someones pocket just cause they feel like they have a good plot line on their hands... (Which is why I have personally stopped buying books of any type from stores and have stuck to fanfiction and orginal stories posted on the web).

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[info]neverless
2006-02-16 03:48 am UTC (link)
That money would be replacing the profit usually garnered from convention sales, go towards my tuition and/or bills, textbooks for Uni, reference books for my personal library, or serve as something nice for me to have for taking time out of my life and off of my personal book to continue this. We always gained a bit of profit from Sublunary, nothing substantial, but a bit. We didn't care how much cause it was fun. This ain't really that fun anymore, but I feel obliged to finish the story for everyone else AND for myself. Having some form of payment coming in will keep me motivated and keep me writing.

But then again, you don't personally ahve to donate if you don't like where the money's going. Where do you think it should be going? You've stopped buying books because you don't think you should have to pay for a good plotline? We're on completely different pages then. Why then should you pay for a piece of art if you can find free art elsewhere? Why should you pay for a CD if you can download free? The general idea is to support, motivate, and promote the creative force behind it, which is why people pay for anything. If you don't think you want to, then I'm certainly not going to make you.

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[info]mig_unit
2006-03-09 05:29 am UTC (link)
The "good plot lines" aren't what you're really paying for. You are paying for the time and effort that someone took out of other things in their life and put into a story for you to enjoy. In the case of printed material, you are also paying for all of the editing, in some cases illustrating, and printing of the book. Honestly, a $6 or $7 paperback is well worth the money.
You must also consider that if no one were paid to write, we wouldn't have as much of a selection as we do. While there is fic on the web that is free, it is, for the most part, rarely as good as a book. Most who put up their fics online aren't able to put as much time into them as professional writers because non-prefessional writers have jobs (or school).
Considering she is looking at putting the cap at $20-$30 a chapter, keeping regular updates, and has also promised to keep the quality of the writing as good as possible, I think she is more than justified for charging. A lot of web writers don't update regularly or just stop writing a story altogether.
I'm a college student, so money is tight. Still, I wouldn't mind donating a few dollars every month to read a good story.

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Oh dear....
(Anonymous)
2006-02-15 03:29 am UTC (link)
I wouldn't mind paying, seriously, I wouldn't. I want to know what happens so badly because I love Sublunary so much. I felt so inspired by it that I've started planning out a webcomic of my own! Not everyone can say that their story and art are so beautiful that they've gotten other people into the same thing... Only JKRowling is the only other person who'd be able to say that she inspired me as much as you... Though it is unfortunate that it's not continuing, I know what you mean, I think. It must have put so much stress on your relationship and you two in general and no one deserves that...

If you want to know what I think, I never thought that you were a bitch... I always kinda though that Sarah was because she was never there to talk to people on the forum like you were... Are? I don't know anymore... hardly ever go there anymore though I used to go almost every day... It's depressing for me, so I can only imagine what it'd be like for you... Oh! That's right! I don't know if proboards is messed up again, but the forums are gone like they were last May... I was wondering if that was an accident... *blushes* ... Sorry, I ramble too much for my own good...

<3

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Re: Oh dear....
[info]subbyupdates
2006-03-13 07:01 am UTC (link)
Aw thank you, it's nice to know i've actually inspired someone with my half of the work on this ^_^ And yes, it did put a lot of stress on us. I really wish I had never done it in the first place, aside from the fun that came with it and the wonderful fans I seriously think it may not have been worth it in the long run...

The forums have been cut down to the fanfic and fanart threads because now that it's just me and the comic isn't going anywhere, I don't have the time or the sadistic wish to sit and mod forums of something that will never actully happen, so I blocked access only to the contributing forums so that people could still post art or fics if they wanted to. I can unblock them if I ever need to, but as it's just me right now, I can't mod them, and this is a good time for flamewars to start so I nixed them.

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[info]airluwena
2006-02-16 07:10 am UTC (link)
I'm all for the charging. I can't do paypal, or I would be all for donating what I could. You deserve to get a little cusion while you deal with what seems to be a very painful issue. Its hard for two business associates to part ways, I'm sure its much worse for those that were closer.

I can see why you would be reluctant to use another artist, and as a writer and avid reader, I would love to see Sublunary in some sort of form. There have been those who have posted their stories online that have been published, and I wish you all the luck with that. Certainly, I would try to be one of the first who could grab a book.

I also don't think you're being unreasonable with not wanting to post art of Sublunary characters. There's nothing worse than seeing a project half finished, but seeing art that says 'oh, this hasn't/won't be written/drawn but these characters have done this and that' it ruins bits of the story. Maybe solo pictures, at the very least. I'm not up to reading the end of the book before getting to the middle.

Continue Sublunary if you can, in one way shape or form. A lot of people love this story, and I think if they love it enough they should work a little for it. I certianly do. This is still one of my favorite web comics I've ever read, and one I've gotten more then several friends interested in.

Much love, and I wish you well.

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[info]warwolves
2006-04-08 05:46 am UTC (link)
If it didn't cost THAT much, I'd be willing to pay. I really, really miss Sublunary.

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